Seems our "esteemed" mayor is at it again, she's enlisted the aid of State Rep Shirley Ringo to try and override Idaho Code in regards to where holders of CCWs can and can't carry. Poor widdle baby didn't like the "NO!" she got back when she had the city attorney ask if she could ban CCW in public areas of the city.
Here's an article from the Daily Snooze, our local rag:
Moscow isn't going to ban guns in city-owned places any time soon, but the idea still is being considered.
State Rep. Shirley Ringo said proposed legislation that would allow cities to regulate firearms in public places won't be ready to go before the Idaho Legislature in its coming session, which begins Jan. 7.
Ringo_ShirleyRingo said the plan would need strong backing before it's ever discussed by legislators. Some of that backing may need to come from the Moscow City Council, and incoming council members have mixed feelings about the idea.
Mayor Nancy Chaney asked Ringo in late October for help in presenting legislation that would disallow firearms in places such as City Hall and public parks, pools and youth facilities. The legislation also could provide enforcement authority, strengthen concealed weapons permits requirements, provide for multi-jurisdictional record-keeping of firearm sales and encourage gun safety education.
In August, Chaney asked City Attorney Randy Fife to write to the Idaho attorney general's office to determine whether the city had the authority to regulate firearms. Deputy Attorney General Stephen A. Bywater sent a reply in September stating the city cannot restrict people from legally carrying firearms.
Chaney then sent letters to Ringo, Rep. Tom Trail and state Sen. Gary Schroeder. Ringo responded, offering her help in drafting and presenting legislation.
Ringo said she's happy to help the mayor, but getting the legislation ready to go before the Legislature won't be easy.
"There's no point in going down there with something that doesn't have a chance," she said.
Moscow's City Council must first decide what direction it wants to go with the legislation, Ringo said.
The issue has been pending before Moscow's Administrative Committee for several weeks, but has been delayed. Chaney was out of town when it was first scheduled to be discussed. Councilman Aaron Ament requested the most recent delay on Monday because he was ill and could not attend the Administrative Committee meeting.
The issue likely will be brought back to the Administrative Committee on Dec. 10.
Chaney said she has drafted a resolution to be considered by the City Council regarding the legislation. However, the discussion likely won't reach the council until after three new members are seated in January.
Councilman-elect Dan Carscallen said he won't support the legislation.
"I don't think that it's a problem, for one. I mean, I don't think that making it illegal is going to stop somebody from doing something untoward," he said. "If somebody's going to cross that line, a law's not going to stop it."
Chaney said restricting guns in City Hall helps ensure open government by making sure no one at a public meeting is intimidated because someone with an opposing viewpoint is armed.
Carscallen said if armed intimidation is a concern, "then you've got bigger problems than just somebody packing a gun around."
Councilman-elect Walter Steed said he's willing to discuss the issue, but does not have enough information to take a position.
"I don't know all of the circumstances that brought the mayor to the decision that she needed to make that request," he said.
Steed said he doesn't know why anyone would feel the need to bring a firearm into City Hall. He and Councilman-elect Wayne Krauss agreed that enforcing a ban on firearms in places such as City Hall would be incredibly difficult.
Krauss said the legislation wouldn't stop someone intent on committing a crime from doing so.
"I don't think this is creating the solution that the mayor wants to see happen," he said. "If you've got some conflict-resolution problems that are going on, simply telling somebody that you can't bring a weapon in City Hall is not going to solve that problem."
Councilman Tom Lamar, who was appointed to the council in June and elected in November, said it makes sense to look at the legislation.
"It certainly makes sense to consider not having firearms in those areas for obvious reasons," he said. "Guns aren't really going to be needed in the City Hall. Guns aren't going to be needed in the Eggan Youth Center. Guns aren't needed in the Hamilton Recreation Center."
Lamar said having the state Legislature look at the issue also will help clarify what powers entities such as cities and counties have in regard to regulating firearms.
Chaney said people are justifiably protective of their rights when discussing this issue.
"The objective is not to trounce on people's constitutional rights, but rather to provide for people's safety as best as we can, as best we are authorized to do by law," she said.
Chaney said she is just asking Ringo and the other legislators to consider carrying legislation forward. If the final answer is no, "then that's what we deal with at that point."
Ringo said she personally would prefer that people not be allowed to carry firearms to public meetings.
The legislation likely would have "even odds" if it had the support of the Idaho Association of Cities and the Idaho Police Chiefs Association, Ringo said. It would take a lot of work for even that because the issue is so sensitive.
"The thing that we have to realize is that Idaho is maybe stronger than many states in terms of people wanting to protect their rights to have guns," she said. "It wouldn't be a given to get it done."
Excuse me Shirley, of course it won't be a done deal, unlike people in other states Idahoans don't believe in giving up our rights, esp the right to self defense.
As I posted on a thread over on Huckleberries Online in response to a question " Should the Legislature give cities and counties to ban guns in public buildings?":
"No the legislature should not give cities the power to ban citizens who have gone thru the hoops to obtain a CCW and are law abiding from carrying where the state has stated it is legal to carry concealed.
The right to self defense is a pure and simple human right that the mayor and state rep are trying to infringe upon.
The mayor and state rep are trying to say that gun owners are not responsible people and they, the mayor and state rep, are the grownups who have the right to tell us "children" how to protect ourselves. Sorry, don't work that way and I suspect Mayor Chaney and State Rep Ringo may not be in office after the next election for their positions.
And basing it all on the bogus excuse of the shootings this last year by a deranged person who was supposed to have been stripped of his firearms (I believe a restraining order had been served on him and when you are served with a restraining order you guns are to be surrendered, so someone in authority really screwed the pooch there) and used a couple of rifles is a desperate attempt by people who haven't a clue.
Gun free zones are referred to as "victim disarmament zones" for a reason, people who are hell bent on killing people KNOW they don't have to worry about people defending themselves."
Here is a little history lesson. How many people remember the Luby's Restaurant massacre a few years a go in Texas? Raise your hand. Do you remember the details? No? Okay, here is a refresher:
On Oct 16 1991 George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot and killed 23 people, wounded another 20 and then committed suicide by shooting himself.
At that time Texas state law forbade any law abiding citizen from carrying a gun on their person outside of their home or business, so no one in the restaurant was armed. One woman, Suzanna Gratia Hupp did have a gun, but being a law abiding citizen, she'd left it locked up in her car. She had to sit and watch Hennard shoot down her parents.
Hennard knew there would be no one inside who would be armed, since law abiding citizens obey the law.
Here is another history lesson. Who remembers the rash of killings and muggings in Florida of tourists at rest stops a few years ago? No? Okay, what happened was tourists to Florida were being targeted by thieves who took advantage of the fact that rental cars were clearly identified by their license plates and being robbed, beaten and killed. The outrage that followed (since this was going to hurt Florida's image of the ideal place to go for vacation) caused the state to order rental cars would have regular Florida license plates to make tourists less of a target. What also came out when one of the bad guys who had been caught was asked for the reason tourists were targeted. He answered that they would be guaranteed to have money and most importantly, they would not be armed, since Florida is a right to carry state.
Yup, you heard me, he robbed people he KNEW would not have the means to protect themselves. He wasn't a totally stupid person, he knew his chances of staying alive were pretty slim if he robbed a Floridian who might be packing.
So, we know that gun control DOESN'T stop the bad guys from breaking the law, gun control simply puts the lives of law-abiding citizens in danger. Remember, the courts have ruled police offers do NOT have an obligation to protect the life of an individual:
". . . a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen . . ."
Reference: Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App.181)
As much as I really appreciate our police and sheriffs departments, they can not be everywhere all the time and my well being and safekeeping is in MY hands, not theirs and I resent Mayor Chaney and Rep Ringo's attempt to try and disarm me. If they wish to take over my well being and safety, then I kindly request them to hire me a 24/7/365 ARMED bodyguard at their expense. I also expect them to give this same service to every other citizen of Idaho since they have decided they obviously know best.
I leave you with one of my favorite Robert A Heinlein quotes:
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Here's an article from the Daily Snooze, our local rag:
Moscow isn't going to ban guns in city-owned places any time soon, but the idea still is being considered.
State Rep. Shirley Ringo said proposed legislation that would allow cities to regulate firearms in public places won't be ready to go before the Idaho Legislature in its coming session, which begins Jan. 7.
Ringo_ShirleyRingo said the plan would need strong backing before it's ever discussed by legislators. Some of that backing may need to come from the Moscow City Council, and incoming council members have mixed feelings about the idea.
Mayor Nancy Chaney asked Ringo in late October for help in presenting legislation that would disallow firearms in places such as City Hall and public parks, pools and youth facilities. The legislation also could provide enforcement authority, strengthen concealed weapons permits requirements, provide for multi-jurisdictional record-keeping of firearm sales and encourage gun safety education.
In August, Chaney asked City Attorney Randy Fife to write to the Idaho attorney general's office to determine whether the city had the authority to regulate firearms. Deputy Attorney General Stephen A. Bywater sent a reply in September stating the city cannot restrict people from legally carrying firearms.
Chaney then sent letters to Ringo, Rep. Tom Trail and state Sen. Gary Schroeder. Ringo responded, offering her help in drafting and presenting legislation.
Ringo said she's happy to help the mayor, but getting the legislation ready to go before the Legislature won't be easy.
"There's no point in going down there with something that doesn't have a chance," she said.
Moscow's City Council must first decide what direction it wants to go with the legislation, Ringo said.
The issue has been pending before Moscow's Administrative Committee for several weeks, but has been delayed. Chaney was out of town when it was first scheduled to be discussed. Councilman Aaron Ament requested the most recent delay on Monday because he was ill and could not attend the Administrative Committee meeting.
The issue likely will be brought back to the Administrative Committee on Dec. 10.
Chaney said she has drafted a resolution to be considered by the City Council regarding the legislation. However, the discussion likely won't reach the council until after three new members are seated in January.
Councilman-elect Dan Carscallen said he won't support the legislation.
"I don't think that it's a problem, for one. I mean, I don't think that making it illegal is going to stop somebody from doing something untoward," he said. "If somebody's going to cross that line, a law's not going to stop it."
Chaney said restricting guns in City Hall helps ensure open government by making sure no one at a public meeting is intimidated because someone with an opposing viewpoint is armed.
Carscallen said if armed intimidation is a concern, "then you've got bigger problems than just somebody packing a gun around."
Councilman-elect Walter Steed said he's willing to discuss the issue, but does not have enough information to take a position.
"I don't know all of the circumstances that brought the mayor to the decision that she needed to make that request," he said.
Steed said he doesn't know why anyone would feel the need to bring a firearm into City Hall. He and Councilman-elect Wayne Krauss agreed that enforcing a ban on firearms in places such as City Hall would be incredibly difficult.
Krauss said the legislation wouldn't stop someone intent on committing a crime from doing so.
"I don't think this is creating the solution that the mayor wants to see happen," he said. "If you've got some conflict-resolution problems that are going on, simply telling somebody that you can't bring a weapon in City Hall is not going to solve that problem."
Councilman Tom Lamar, who was appointed to the council in June and elected in November, said it makes sense to look at the legislation.
"It certainly makes sense to consider not having firearms in those areas for obvious reasons," he said. "Guns aren't really going to be needed in the City Hall. Guns aren't going to be needed in the Eggan Youth Center. Guns aren't needed in the Hamilton Recreation Center."
Lamar said having the state Legislature look at the issue also will help clarify what powers entities such as cities and counties have in regard to regulating firearms.
Chaney said people are justifiably protective of their rights when discussing this issue.
"The objective is not to trounce on people's constitutional rights, but rather to provide for people's safety as best as we can, as best we are authorized to do by law," she said.
Chaney said she is just asking Ringo and the other legislators to consider carrying legislation forward. If the final answer is no, "then that's what we deal with at that point."
Ringo said she personally would prefer that people not be allowed to carry firearms to public meetings.
The legislation likely would have "even odds" if it had the support of the Idaho Association of Cities and the Idaho Police Chiefs Association, Ringo said. It would take a lot of work for even that because the issue is so sensitive.
"The thing that we have to realize is that Idaho is maybe stronger than many states in terms of people wanting to protect their rights to have guns," she said. "It wouldn't be a given to get it done."
Excuse me Shirley, of course it won't be a done deal, unlike people in other states Idahoans don't believe in giving up our rights, esp the right to self defense.
As I posted on a thread over on Huckleberries Online in response to a question " Should the Legislature give cities and counties to ban guns in public buildings?":
"No the legislature should not give cities the power to ban citizens who have gone thru the hoops to obtain a CCW and are law abiding from carrying where the state has stated it is legal to carry concealed.
The right to self defense is a pure and simple human right that the mayor and state rep are trying to infringe upon.
The mayor and state rep are trying to say that gun owners are not responsible people and they, the mayor and state rep, are the grownups who have the right to tell us "children" how to protect ourselves. Sorry, don't work that way and I suspect Mayor Chaney and State Rep Ringo may not be in office after the next election for their positions.
And basing it all on the bogus excuse of the shootings this last year by a deranged person who was supposed to have been stripped of his firearms (I believe a restraining order had been served on him and when you are served with a restraining order you guns are to be surrendered, so someone in authority really screwed the pooch there) and used a couple of rifles is a desperate attempt by people who haven't a clue.
Gun free zones are referred to as "victim disarmament zones" for a reason, people who are hell bent on killing people KNOW they don't have to worry about people defending themselves."
Here is a little history lesson. How many people remember the Luby's Restaurant massacre a few years a go in Texas? Raise your hand. Do you remember the details? No? Okay, here is a refresher:
On Oct 16 1991 George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot and killed 23 people, wounded another 20 and then committed suicide by shooting himself.
At that time Texas state law forbade any law abiding citizen from carrying a gun on their person outside of their home or business, so no one in the restaurant was armed. One woman, Suzanna Gratia Hupp did have a gun, but being a law abiding citizen, she'd left it locked up in her car. She had to sit and watch Hennard shoot down her parents.
Hennard knew there would be no one inside who would be armed, since law abiding citizens obey the law.
Here is another history lesson. Who remembers the rash of killings and muggings in Florida of tourists at rest stops a few years ago? No? Okay, what happened was tourists to Florida were being targeted by thieves who took advantage of the fact that rental cars were clearly identified by their license plates and being robbed, beaten and killed. The outrage that followed (since this was going to hurt Florida's image of the ideal place to go for vacation) caused the state to order rental cars would have regular Florida license plates to make tourists less of a target. What also came out when one of the bad guys who had been caught was asked for the reason tourists were targeted. He answered that they would be guaranteed to have money and most importantly, they would not be armed, since Florida is a right to carry state.
Yup, you heard me, he robbed people he KNEW would not have the means to protect themselves. He wasn't a totally stupid person, he knew his chances of staying alive were pretty slim if he robbed a Floridian who might be packing.
So, we know that gun control DOESN'T stop the bad guys from breaking the law, gun control simply puts the lives of law-abiding citizens in danger. Remember, the courts have ruled police offers do NOT have an obligation to protect the life of an individual:
". . . a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen . . ."
Reference: Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App.181)
As much as I really appreciate our police and sheriffs departments, they can not be everywhere all the time and my well being and safekeeping is in MY hands, not theirs and I resent Mayor Chaney and Rep Ringo's attempt to try and disarm me. If they wish to take over my well being and safety, then I kindly request them to hire me a 24/7/365 ARMED bodyguard at their expense. I also expect them to give this same service to every other citizen of Idaho since they have decided they obviously know best.
I leave you with one of my favorite Robert A Heinlein quotes:
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
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